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    <name>Nic Payne</name>
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    <title>The Flood Story - Types and Baptism</title>
    <id>https://pype.dev/the-flood-story-types-and-baptism/</id>
    <updated>2024-12-14T06:06:38Z</updated>
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    <summary type="text">Jesus brings up the Flood story from Genesis just one time (in the recorded teachings we have).</summary>
    <content type="html">&lt;h1 id=&#34;the-flood-story-and-jesus&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;The Flood Story and Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Jesus brings up the Flood story from Genesis just one time (in the recorded teachings we have).&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;First to set the scene, Jesus and his disciples are visiting the temple, and the disiples are &lt;a href=&#34;/kind/&#34; class=&#34;glossary-term&#34; title=&#34;kind - kubernetes in docker&#34; data-hover-title=&#34;kind&#34;&gt;kind&lt;/a&gt; of &amp;ldquo;ooo-ing&amp;rdquo; and &amp;ldquo;aaah-ing&amp;rdquo; when Jesus tells them about about the coming destruction&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;Matthew 24:1–2 (ESV):  24 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his&#xA;disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he&#xA;answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will&#xA;not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”  &#xA;&#xA;The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Mt 24:1–2). (2016). Crossway Bibles.&#xA;&#xA;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&#xA;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;Matthew 24:37–39 (ESV): 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming&#xA;of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating&#xA;and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered&#xA;the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away,&#xA;so will be the coming of the Son of Man. &#xA;&#xA;The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Mt 24:37–39). (2016). Crossway Bibles.&#xA;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;At one point in Jesus&amp;rsquo; description of the destruction of the temple in&#xA;Jerusalem, he brings up the Son of Man and Noah&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Jesus says that the &amp;ldquo;coming of the Son of Man&amp;rdquo; will be like when Noah built the&#xA;ark, and no one understood until the flood (κατακλυσμός | kataklysmos) came and&#xA;took them away.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;In Jesus&amp;rsquo; mind the flood narrative gives him imagery and vocabulary to talk&#xA;about when God allows foreign powers to come and bring judgement&amp;hellip; This isn&amp;rsquo;t&#xA;an interpretation of the flood narrative, but it clues us into the idea that&#xA;the Hebrew bible is full of imagery, like a quilt, that follows a (or several)&#xA;pattern(s).&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;Jesus understood the flood story as a pattern - a theological category to talk&#xA;about God overthrowing the corrupt power systems of our world - Tim Mackie&#xA;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&#xA;&lt;blockquote&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;I think sometimes we look at the flood and think God is so bad for taking out&#xA;all of humanity, but we miss the point&amp;hellip; God is RESTORING humanity by&#xA;removing corruption&amp;hellip; that&amp;rsquo;s eventually the story we&amp;rsquo;re invited into via&#xA;faith in Jesus&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;types&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;Types&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#types&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;A &lt;code&gt;type&lt;/code&gt; is a category of prophecy, and an &lt;code&gt;antitype&lt;/code&gt; is the revelation of the type.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Essentially - a &lt;code&gt;type&lt;/code&gt; is a pattern, and the &lt;code&gt;antytype&lt;/code&gt; is the revelation of&#xA;the meaning of the pattern - and without understanding the preceding types (in&#xA;this case, the flood) then the antitype cannot be understood (in this case&#xA;baptism)&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;blockquote&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;a trivial example of how a type, or a pattern, can be noticed and even build&#xA;anticipation is to think 2, 4, 6, 8&amp;hellip; what comes next? 10, and we all know&#xA;that immediately. Types in general, and types in the Bible are no different,&#xA;albeit not so simple&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;flood-and-baptism&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;Flood and Baptism&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#flood-and-baptism&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Brace yourself&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;1 Peter 3:18–22 (ESV): 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous&#xA;for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the&#xA;flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the&#xA;spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience&#xA;waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few,&#xA;that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21 Baptism, which&#xA;corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but&#xA;as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus&#xA;Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with&#xA;angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.  &#xA;&#xA;The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (1 Pe 3:18–22). (2016). Crossway&#xA;Bibles.&#xA;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Notice verse 21 - &amp;ldquo;Baptism, which &lt;strong&gt;corresponds&lt;/strong&gt; to this&amp;rdquo;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Corresponds is the word ἀντίτυπος (antitupos) in Greek, which means &amp;ldquo;anti-type&amp;rdquo;&#xA;This means clearly that the &lt;code&gt;type&lt;/code&gt;, or &lt;em&gt;a&lt;/em&gt; type, for baptism, is the flood&#xA;narrative&amp;hellip; or that baptism is the antitype for the flood&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;What does this mean for baptism?&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;21 Baptism, which&#xA;corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but&#xA;as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus&#xA;Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with&#xA;angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him&#xA;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Through baptism, we experience with Jesus, resurrection and rule of the angels,&#xA;authorities, and power of the world&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;take-away&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;Take Away&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#take-away&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;For the disciples listening&amp;hellip; are they arguing about when the flood happened?&#xA;or if it was a global or local flood?&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;No&amp;hellip; they are listening to Jesus unpack patterns in the Bible and they hear&#xA;him invite them, through a story they know very well, into rule and reign with&#xA;him&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;</content>
    <author>
      <name>Nic Payne</name>
      <uri>https://pype.dev</uri>
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    <title>The Flood Story - Quilt Analogy</title>
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    <updated>2024-12-14T05:43:43Z</updated>
    <published>2024-12-14T05:43:43Z</published>
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    <summary type="text">I&#39;m slowly making my way through some Bible Project classes online because Tim Mackie is a fantastic teacher and BP has done be a _ service by opening my...</summary>
    <content type="html">&lt;h1 id=&#34;the-flood-story-in-the-hebrew-bible&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;The Flood Story in the Hebrew Bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;rsquo;m slowly making my way through some Bible Project classes online because Tim&#xA;Mackie is a fantastic teacher and BP has done be a &lt;em&gt;great&lt;/em&gt; service by opening&#xA;my eyes to the reality of the Biblical narrative and what it means for my life&#xA;of faith in Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;The second session is filled with great points and 10 minutes in I had to jot&#xA;this one down&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;a-quilt-as-history&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;A Quilt as History&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#a-quilt-as-history&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;Imagine your grandmother&amp;rsquo;s grandmother made a quilt, and passed it down the&#xA;family tree. In a sense, that quilt contains history that would pre-date you&#xA;but would absolutely have meaning to you&amp;hellip; However, you might look for meaning&#xA;that was never intended to be present.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;The pieces of the quilt have their own history - there will be material that&#xA;might&amp;rsquo;ve been part of a dress, or curtains, or bedsheets, or anything else&#xA;someone in the family tree found interesting and meaningful for the story they&#xA;are telling with their quilt.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;The question of what each of the pieces mean on their own, or in where they&#xA;come from is interesting perhaps, but it&amp;rsquo;s not the same question as asking what&#xA;those pieces mean now that they have been curated into the family quilt&amp;hellip; The&#xA;creator(s) of the quilt may repurpose those pieces entirely, and it wouldn&amp;rsquo;t be&#xA;&amp;ldquo;right&amp;rdquo; for you or me to be upset that one piece of the quilt came from an&#xA;article of clothing or cloth associated with something we might not like - the&#xA;author (your grandma) &lt;strong&gt;repurposed&lt;/strong&gt; it for that very reason, to change the&#xA;meaning and communicate something to you, perhaps something totally different&#xA;than what that cloth might&amp;rsquo;ve meant before it was added to the quilt.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;creation-as-a-quilt&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;Creation as a Quilt&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#creation-as-a-quilt&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;The quilt is a curated piece of pieces of fabric - and to bring the metaphor&#xA;home very abruptly, so is the Hebrew Bible&amp;hellip; the authors of the Hebrew&#xA;scripture absolutely repurposed stories and images that were present in their&#xA;time and before, but not to make something that is a cheap copy, but to&#xA;communicate the story of the &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; God of gods, ruling over the world.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;For example - the very beginning of the creationa ccount in Genesis 1 has the&#xA;spirit of God hovering over the waters. Without getting into more details than&#xA;a short write-up warrants, the waters in ancient thought represent chaos. Not&#xA;only that, but there is an older creation account called the Enuma Elish where&#xA;their savior god, Marduk, fights the chaos waters (Tiamat) and conquers her&#xA;eventually&amp;hellip; The thing about the Hebrew narrative is that Yahweh doesn&amp;rsquo;t have&#xA;to fight the waters&amp;hellip; he subdues with his words because he isn&amp;rsquo;t in tension&#xA;with creation, or even with chaos, all things obey him and the chaos waters&#xA;that other gods had to fight and die over are no different. So the meaning of&#xA;the waters is somewhat consistent across lots of cultures, but Hebrews took the&#xA;stories and in essence made them &amp;ldquo;more true&amp;rdquo;, but at the very least made them&#xA;relevant to the story they are/were communicating about the God of gods and&#xA;Lord of love - that he is the creator of all things and invites us to partner&#xA;with him (as his image-bearers).&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;h2 id=&#34;calm-down&#34;&gt;&lt;span class=&#34;heading-wear-glyph&#34;&gt;Calm Down&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&#34;#calm-down&#34; class=&#34;heading-anchor&#34;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;A lot of Christians get upset or skiddish when other stories and cultures get&#xA;brought up - as if the Bible had to fall from heaven in their favorite English&#xA;translation&amp;hellip; but in my opinion that is the silliest and cheapest view of the&#xA;Word of God&amp;hellip; he chose people out of foreign lands to make an inheritence for&#xA;himself, his people, and those people tell his story using images that they&#xA;know.&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;It&amp;rsquo;s important for us to answer interesting questions but not lose sight of&#xA;what&amp;rsquo;s important&amp;hellip; The Enuma Elish is an interesting piece, and there&amp;rsquo;s&#xA;parallels with the Hebrew bible, but the Hebrew creation account clearly&#xA;communicates that Yahweh doesn&amp;rsquo;t have to labor and fight for order, he speaks&#xA;order into chaos. That lesson is wholly different from other creation&#xA;narratives, but is it derivative of them&amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;p&gt;That used to bother me, but understanding that the authors of the Bible,&#xA;carried forth by the guidance of God&amp;rsquo;s spirit, curated these stories and&#xA;narratives for God&amp;rsquo;s people to communicate the truest Truths about him and his&#xA;love for people help me understand the reality of God partnering with humanity&lt;/p&gt;&#xA;&lt;ul&gt;&#xA;&lt;li&gt;which starts in the Garden and is how Revelation ends&lt;/li&gt;&#xA;&lt;/ul&gt;&#xA;</content>
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      <name>Nic Payne</name>
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